university of michigan law school. we won the law school case. we lost the undergrad case. and i think at this point, it is -- and there have been more recent studies about how it is a disaster for black people. but mostly i think it's a disaster for america. at this point, i will say, -- >> why? >> you get past discrimination by not discriminating on the basis of race. that's the way to do it. i will say one of the things that conservatives have generally not liked about richard nixon was of course he was the first one to impose racial quotas, time lines, on the construction industry that was doing business with the government. and, you know, people, my generation and below, grew up in a world without separate water fountains, without democrats slyke bull connor or volsavis or george wallace. in our lifetimes and i might add the president's lifetime, the only -- the only effects of being black is that it is an advantage. you are more likely to get into harvard. you are more likely to get into a top law school. so it was easier to be against the time lines, the racial quota